BrianPlankis
10-08-2006, 10:41 PM
I recently had several questions from Wesley, one of the DIBS Breeders and thought I would share the answers with everyone:
I have a question regarding a turbo snail i have in my tank now. actually a few questions
gastropods are basically snails right?
Gastropods do include snails, but Gastropods (technically the class is Gastropoda first described by Cuvier in 1797) are one of the most successful class of molluscks, with an estimated 35,000-75,000 living species depending on who you cite.
Gastropods include (but are not limited to): Snails, limpets, whelks, nudibranchs, abalones and slugs (freshwater or land) and sea slugs.
also what family is the turbo in? i have found family names on the net but most are diferent from each other. the cold water turbo i mean
Here it my new thread link and there is a macro of the snail i have in question.
http://www.talkingreef.com/forums/sh...2362#post32362
"Turbo" snails, if correctly identified, belong to the Genus Turbo and their family is TURBINIDAE TURBININAE Rafinesque, C.S., 1815.
Unfortunately the internet is almost without exception a bad place to try to ID a "Turbo" snail. There are many websites (with high search engine rankings) that simply do not identify the snails properly or are guesses that appear to be confident IDs! Dr Shimek always preaches that many snail IDs can only get done by experts and if you add in the fact that the TURBINIDAE family is currently at least partially under revision it can be a real mess. In many cases if an expert is not consulted, then we cannot rely on any internet ID.
The one exception I like to use is:
http://www.gastropods.com/
Not that website is not perfect, but far better than most. They also have a useful thumbnail listing for each family. Here is the TURBINIDAE TURBININAE listing:
http://www.gastropods.com/Taxon_pages/TN_Family_TURBINIDAE_TURBININAE.html
I looked at your picture of your snail and while it is a clear crisp picture, I cannot see any identifying features I need to see. To have any hope of an ID to family, I would need a couple of specific pictures:
1. A shot of the shell from above the animal, so I can see the top side.
2. A shot of the snail removed from the water where you prod the snail to retract and hide inside its shell. Then a clear crisp picture of the closed up snail. Similar to this picture:
http://www.projectdibs.com/forums/images/ProjectDIBS/DIBSInverts/Gastropods/Turboadult-1.jpg
But it would be even better if you could get the snail to close completely and have the shell rotated so the point (apex) is straight up and down in the photo. Not always an easy thing to do!
Brian
I have a question regarding a turbo snail i have in my tank now. actually a few questions
gastropods are basically snails right?
Gastropods do include snails, but Gastropods (technically the class is Gastropoda first described by Cuvier in 1797) are one of the most successful class of molluscks, with an estimated 35,000-75,000 living species depending on who you cite.
Gastropods include (but are not limited to): Snails, limpets, whelks, nudibranchs, abalones and slugs (freshwater or land) and sea slugs.
also what family is the turbo in? i have found family names on the net but most are diferent from each other. the cold water turbo i mean
Here it my new thread link and there is a macro of the snail i have in question.
http://www.talkingreef.com/forums/sh...2362#post32362
"Turbo" snails, if correctly identified, belong to the Genus Turbo and their family is TURBINIDAE TURBININAE Rafinesque, C.S., 1815.
Unfortunately the internet is almost without exception a bad place to try to ID a "Turbo" snail. There are many websites (with high search engine rankings) that simply do not identify the snails properly or are guesses that appear to be confident IDs! Dr Shimek always preaches that many snail IDs can only get done by experts and if you add in the fact that the TURBINIDAE family is currently at least partially under revision it can be a real mess. In many cases if an expert is not consulted, then we cannot rely on any internet ID.
The one exception I like to use is:
http://www.gastropods.com/
Not that website is not perfect, but far better than most. They also have a useful thumbnail listing for each family. Here is the TURBINIDAE TURBININAE listing:
http://www.gastropods.com/Taxon_pages/TN_Family_TURBINIDAE_TURBININAE.html
I looked at your picture of your snail and while it is a clear crisp picture, I cannot see any identifying features I need to see. To have any hope of an ID to family, I would need a couple of specific pictures:
1. A shot of the shell from above the animal, so I can see the top side.
2. A shot of the snail removed from the water where you prod the snail to retract and hide inside its shell. Then a clear crisp picture of the closed up snail. Similar to this picture:
http://www.projectdibs.com/forums/images/ProjectDIBS/DIBSInverts/Gastropods/Turboadult-1.jpg
But it would be even better if you could get the snail to close completely and have the shell rotated so the point (apex) is straight up and down in the photo. Not always an easy thing to do!
Brian